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HARLEY SHOP TALK _ Engine, Transmission, & Performance _ Expensive drip

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 11 2017, 07:36 PM

I hadn't been riding much the last few years. Less than 1,000 miles per year. Bike developed a little leak. A dime sized spot of oil falling on the garage floor every so often. Not horrible. Nothing like the AMF years.
I took it for a 20K mile service and reported the leak and occasional popping on deceleration.
Decel popping isn't a concern I guess. It's because of my exhaust and not being compensated for with a snazzy breather and a tuner download. Yada yada. No biggie.
The drip on the other hand.....
It's a Sunday and I got a call from the shop manager 30 minutes before they close. He says he wants to show me the source of the drip. Says they close at 5 but he and the mechanic working on my bike will be there for a while and I can just come around back.
He puts the bike up on the lift, gets a little pen light and shows me the seepage where the shifter arm goes into the case. Not the problem, but they'll fix it while they're working on the real problem. Shows me the seepage on the clutch cable. That too will be fixed, but is also not the problem. Shows me the seam where the engine case (left and right halves) fit together. That's the problem. He explains that to fix it, they gotta basically take the engine apart, split the case, replace the gasket (or whatever the fuck goes between there).
Bottom line, this 20K service is almost true to its name. The service, the leak fixes, and new brakes (the pads were almost gone) is going to be around 2500 bucks.
I need to start riding more to make this shit worth it.

Posted by: Ordy Jun 12 2017, 04:24 AM

QUOTE(Blackcloud @ Jun 11 2017, 08:36 PM) *
I hadn't been riding much the last few years. Less than 1,000 miles per year. Bike developed a little leak. A dime sized spot of oil falling on the garage floor every so often. Not horrible. Nothing like the AMF years.
I took it for a 20K mile service and reported the leak and occasional popping on deceleration.
Decel popping isn't a concern I guess. It's because of my exhaust and not being compensated for with a snazzy breather and a tuner download. Yada yada. No biggie.
The drip on the other hand.....
It's a Sunday and I got a call from the shop manager 30 minutes before they close. He says he wants to show me the source of the drip. Says they close at 5 but he and the mechanic working on my bike will be there for a while and I can just come around back.
He puts the bike up on the lift, gets a little pen light and shows me the seepage where the shifter arm goes into the case. Not the problem, but they'll fix it while they're working on the real problem. Shows me the seepage on the clutch cable. That too will be fixed, but is also not the problem. Shows me the seam where the engine case (left and right halves) fit together. That's the problem. He explains that to fix it, they gotta basically take the engine apart, split the case, replace the gasket (or whatever the fuck goes between there).
Bottom line, this 20K service is almost true to its name. The service, the leak fixes, and new brakes (the pads were almost gone) is going to be around 2500 bucks.
I need to start riding more to make this shit worth it.


Yeah, I feel your pain. I fixed the shifter linkage leak and the clutch cable leak but the case leak?

$2500! WTF? Think I can buy a used engine on eBay for that price, but then I won't know what problems that one will have. They got us coming and going. Not that it matters for me, my season is pretty much shot. I still have to get it fixed from the accident.

Good luck BC... I know it sucks bruddah....

Ride safe
ORdy

Posted by: n1xxl Jun 12 2017, 05:27 AM

Its a Harley ride it till it stops leaking then worry about it.

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 12 2017, 09:30 AM

QUOTE(n1xxl @ Jun 12 2017, 05:27 AM) *
Its a Harley ride it till it stops leaking then worry about it.

Yeah. I've heard that theory. Welcome to HST!

Ordy, just to be clear, that price is the repair, the service, and the brakes all rolled up.

Posted by: screwball Jun 12 2017, 10:52 AM

OUCH! Put it back together and trade it in for a new one, That is the 'Merican way!

Posted by: deuce04 Jun 12 2017, 10:55 AM

Fix the smaller leaks and ride it.
The heat will make the case expand and probably stop the leak.




Then sell it whistling.gif

Posted by: T14B Jun 12 2017, 12:33 PM

You could always buy a new bike and hand-me-down that one to the wife.

Posted by: Fgowi Jun 12 2017, 04:29 PM

QUOTE(T14B @ Jun 12 2017, 12:33 PM) *
You could always buy a new bike and hand-me-down that one to the wife.


Who would do that? whistling.gif hysterical.gif

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 12 2017, 05:15 PM

I've already handed her down a bike. I'm not sure she could handle this one's weight. Hell, I can barely handle it. Anyway, 2500 is less than what it would cost me to get into a new one. So, I'll keep it if I can.

Posted by: Jarhead Jun 13 2017, 07:33 AM

Damn Mark, it's almost like you have a black cloud over you or something. I have to wonder what the hell would cause the case gasket to fail, you would not think it could dry up it has oil sitting on top of it.
At any rate I hope it works out for you, good luck.

Posted by: Silverlining Jun 13 2017, 08:20 AM

QUOTE(Jarhead @ Jun 13 2017, 07:33 AM) *
Damn Mark, it's almost like you have a black cloud over you or something. I have to wonder what the hell would cause the case gasket to fail, you would not think it could dry up it has oil sitting on top of it.


WE need to ride more.

Posted by: EZGlider Jun 13 2017, 08:40 AM

I saw "Expensive Drip" and immediately thought.....PENICILLIN! whistling.gif

Posted by: LoudnProud Jun 13 2017, 10:10 AM

Two words....

Simple Green.... hysterical.gif

Glad you're getting it fixed, Mark....

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 13 2017, 07:05 PM

Not sure why it started leaking. I should have just put some Flex Seal on it. That shit is amazing. hysterical.gif

Posted by: LoudnProud Jun 14 2017, 10:58 AM

QUOTE(Blackcloud @ Jun 13 2017, 07:05 PM) *
Not sure why it started leaking. I should have just put some Flex Seal on it. That shit is amazing. hysterical.gif


Or JB Weld the fucker.... hysterical.gif

Actually there's a small vent in that area where the cases come together that'll push oil out after a long hard run... Sort of like a pressure relief valve... So a small amount of oil shouldn't be anything to really worry about in my opinion but the Dealer is glad you got it fixed.... whistling.gif

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 15 2017, 01:24 PM

It was more than just venting. closedeyes.gif
It really did need fixed. I just hope they do quality work. This is the same location (but completely different people and ownership) where I got the RoadKing that was a lemon. They fired almost everybody when the new folks bought it.

Posted by: Blackcloud Jun 16 2017, 09:35 PM

20k service - 504.17
oil leak/reseal engine cases - 1998.86
gasket, transmission side and clutch cable replacement - 203.88
shift shaft seal bushing replacement - 163.17
R&R front pads - 187.90
R&R rear pads - 99.95
FIR pistons and rings / new cylinders - 168.00
shop supplies - 25.00
tax - 188.76
Total - 3469.69

Well, shit. Plenty more than I wanted to pay. Still, it was cheaper than an OEM long block or a crate engine. Excuse me while I go apply the preparation H.

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