HARLEY SHOP TALK

Often Imitated, Never Duplicated

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> FL-xied
exterminater
post Dec 29 2011, 09:55 PM
Post #1





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



(IMG:http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/images/harleydavidson/buttons/quote.gif) (IMG:http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/images/harleydavidson/buttons/quickreply.gif) moose49View Public ProfileSend a private message to moose49Find More Posts by moose49Add moose49 to Your Contacts(IMG:http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/images/harleydavidson/statusicon/post_old.gif) Today, 06:16 PM #40 (permalink) exterminater Junior Member
(IMG:http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/customavatars/avatar26166_1.gif)
Join Date: Dec 2011Location: Okatie SCPosts: 9 Well after lurking for weeks on so many forums I decided to try out the FL-xied-10 on my ST Deluxe 2012.As advertised this was about the easiest add on that I have tried to date.If you can install slip ons this project Will have you enjoying a cool beverage of your choice in about 30 mins. I'm older so it takes me more time to get down on the floor for the front o2 sensor than it does to install the darn thing.Does it work as some say,don"t know yet. I rode the bike for a short period (1.5 miles) & noticed nothing. I'm off till after the new year so I will report back soon. The weather is nice here 60 degrees & sunny so tomorrow I will do about 150 milers ride & report back. Now on to that beverage of choice.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Blackcloud
post Dec 30 2011, 08:27 AM
Post #2



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 12,596
Joined: 2-December 06
From: Sweet tea territory
Member No.: 1,370
BIKE: FLHTCUI Ultra Classic Electra Glide EFI
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 20,000
MILES: 50,500



(IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fgowi
post Dec 30 2011, 08:52 AM
Post #3



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 10,886
Joined: 29-June 06
From: State = Vegetative
Member No.: 1,095
BIKE: FLTRSEI Screamin Eagle Road Glide
YEAR: 2001
MILES: 70,000
BIKE: ***** BAGGERS *****
YEAR: 1111
MILES: 1



Put one on my 11 FL. Could not tell the difference. Still pukes at slow speed. No popping on decel with or without it. No difference in mileage that I could detect.

I think the thing made me wires longer! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Good Luck with yours.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
r4fthrs
post Dec 30 2011, 09:15 AM
Post #4



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 967
Joined: 24-March 09
From: Rolling Hills of S. Indiana
Member No.: 3,321
BIKE: XL1200C Sportster 1200 Custom
YEAR: 2007
MILES: 50,000+



From what I have read about them, it takes 300-400 miles for your `electronic' brain to properly calibrate to the new settings to give you the proper results. Haven't used one myself so can't say for sure. I have heard some say it has helped with low RPM `lag' and runs 20-30 degrees cooler, will be interested in your assessment as I have considered them on my Sportster
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Dec 31 2011, 01:06 PM
Post #5



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



I bought one but have not put it on yet. Am getting pinging at times. Stock AFR is 14.6:1, Xied is supposed to increase this to 13.7:1. This should help pinging and lower temp.

I don't think there is a computer learning curve except for possibly open loop.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Jan 13 2012, 01:24 PM
Post #6





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



Well after a testing xied out they did not work for me. I know this product works cause so many have testified that it does, just not for me. Called the company & after a pleasant conversation they agreed to take them back & refund my money. So on to the next step & that would be a fueler. The search continues.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fgowi
post Jan 13 2012, 05:51 PM
Post #7



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 10,886
Joined: 29-June 06
From: State = Vegetative
Member No.: 1,095
BIKE: FLTRSEI Screamin Eagle Road Glide
YEAR: 2001
MILES: 70,000
BIKE: ***** BAGGERS *****
YEAR: 1111
MILES: 1



QUOTE(exterminater @ Jan 13 2012, 12:24 PM) *
Well after a testing xied out they did not work for me. I know this product works cause so many have testified that it does, just not for me. Called the company & after a pleasant conversation they agreed to take them back & refund my money. So on to the next step & that would be a fueler. The search continues.


Like I said.... Not at all happy it didn't work for you. I saw nothing with some decent monitoring. And, Bruce, it was on the bike for thousands of miles. I took it off for some warranty work, just in case. I've heard that ECMs in the past, like my '01, "learn". I have no idea if that is the case today.

Good Luck looking for a tuner. I like the "passive" ones myself. They'll adjust to about any build. Iffin you like to tinker and make "spreadsheets" get a Race Tuner (or whatever the hell they're calling them these days - HA)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Jan 13 2012, 06:09 PM
Post #8



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



From their web site:

Our simple plug-n-play fuel management upgrade specifically for the 2009 H-D Touring motorcycles. Nightrider's unique patented design works inline with your existing H-D Bosch narrow band O2 sensor and Delphi ECM to richen the fuel mixtures. Riders can quickly and simply richen the closed loop fuel mixture on your TC96/103/110 engine from the stock 14.6:1 to 13.8:1 AFR. The XiED's will add approximately 8% more fuel to the engine in closed loop operating mode than a similar unequipped vehicle. There is an indirect richening of open loop fuel mixture's through the learning mode or adaptive fuel value action, ensuring these richer 13.8-12.5:1 AFR's are also adjusted in heavy/full throttle situations.

Richer mixture should have made a difference.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fgowi
post Jan 13 2012, 07:11 PM
Post #9



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 10,886
Joined: 29-June 06
From: State = Vegetative
Member No.: 1,095
BIKE: FLTRSEI Screamin Eagle Road Glide
YEAR: 2001
MILES: 70,000
BIKE: ***** BAGGERS *****
YEAR: 1111
MILES: 1



Totally agree, Oak. I didn't remember the learning part. And it may very well have "worked" on my bike. I measured mileage at least half dozen times before and after and they were within a point or two. Without was, at times, lower than with it and vice versa.

Admittedly, my mix of riding tends to vary around here ranging from all city to all highway. 8 percent should have been like 3.2 mpg (based on 40).

NOTHING really scientific about my results.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Jan 14 2012, 10:21 AM
Post #10



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



I bought this set-up but have not put in on yet. I'm hoping to provide a "positive" testimonial for this. So all I can speak to is what they advertise. I'd be pissed if it does not provide something noticible.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Mar 24 2012, 08:55 AM
Post #11





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



My next move was to install a fueler after I tried other ideas to stop the decel popping.Well I took a twenty plus mile ride today and after using the silicone on the mufflers & drilled out clamps, she still pops. I think that I can safely rule out muffler leaks.Hopefully a call to Dobeck will help. My settings are 2:30 ,3:30, 3:30 & 4:00. I set the first pot after a warm engine & the throttle set at 2000 rpms. I adjusted it to the smoothest position possible and the others set at Dobecks instruction from there web site. The popping seemed less in the higher gear on down shift from sixth to fifth & more as the lower gears where brought into play. The engine has to warm up before it starts to pops (about three miles).I had a Rev-Tech DFO installed by a local Harley mechanic $335.00.Had a xied on the bike which I sent back. I have a stage one upgrade.This popping on decel is driving me nuts. It's popping a lot,when you roll off throttle to change gears,down shift from all gears especially when slowing down a a traffic light.

This post has been edited by exterminater: Mar 24 2012, 08:59 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Mar 24 2012, 09:30 AM
Post #12





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



I have to commend Xied & Dobeck for there excellent customer service. Both where a joy to work with in trying to solve my decel popping issues.The R-T DFO which I bought from a local Harley shop was manufactured by Dobeck.So when I called they said just send it back & we will send you a upgraded Gen ejk 111. I think that's great, They did not have to go that extra mile. I had called them to get some tech help on making some adjustments on the R-T DFO,not request a switch.Dobeck said that they would replace the unit and they sent it to me first. I received the Gen 111,and installed it Sat. 17th . Took a 150 mile trip around the area and I kid you not I could not make that bike pop on decel. It also has quite allot of pick up through out the gears. I thought that the popping issue would never be solved,but so far awesome!!!!!!!!!!' The install was a breeze & the unit came preset for a stage one upgrade.

(IMG:http://images16.fotki.com/v377/photos/4/1628634/10105837/DSCN1794-vi.jpg)

This post has been edited by exterminater: Mar 24 2012, 09:33 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Blackcloud
post Mar 24 2012, 09:45 AM
Post #13



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 12,596
Joined: 2-December 06
From: Sweet tea territory
Member No.: 1,370
BIKE: FLHTCUI Ultra Classic Electra Glide EFI
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 20,000
MILES: 50,500



??? exterminater, I don't get it. At 8:55 you posted that you were still struggling with popping. 35 minutes later at 9:30 you posted that on the 17th you installed the Gen111 and couldn't get it to pop anymore while on a 150 mile trip.
You lost me.

This post has been edited by Blackcloud: Mar 24 2012, 09:46 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Mar 24 2012, 10:11 AM
Post #14





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



QUOTE(Blackcloud @ Mar 24 2012, 09:45 AM) *
??? exterminater, I don't get it. At 8:55 you posted that you were still struggling with popping. 35 minutes later at 9:30 you posted that on the 17th you installed the Gen111 and couldn't get it to pop anymore while on a 150 mile trip.
You lost me.


Yea it was a draft from another site posted a few weeks back. Sorry for the confusion ,just kinda wanted to lead into the end results with a little background info & update a thread that I started some time ago.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Mar 24 2012, 10:46 AM
Post #15



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



QUOTE(OakR8R @ Jan 14 2012, 09:21 AM) *
I bought this set-up but have not put in on yet. I'm hoping to provide a "positive" testimonial for this. So all I can speak to is what they advertise. I'd be pissed if it does not provide something noticible.



Installed them a couple of weeks ago. Noticeable difference, no pinging, a little better performance in closed loop. Very happy with them and around $100 bucks.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fgowi
post Mar 24 2012, 05:25 PM
Post #16



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 10,886
Joined: 29-June 06
From: State = Vegetative
Member No.: 1,095
BIKE: FLTRSEI Screamin Eagle Road Glide
YEAR: 2001
MILES: 70,000
BIKE: ***** BAGGERS *****
YEAR: 1111
MILES: 1



Well shit!!!

Guess I'll put the useless ass thing back in!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Mar 25 2012, 10:10 AM
Post #17



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



QUOTE(Fgowi @ Dec 30 2011, 07:52 AM) *
Put one on my 11 FL. Could not tell the difference. Still pukes at slow speed. No popping on decel with or without it. No difference in mileage that I could detect.

I think the thing made me wires longer! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Good Luck with yours.


Gas mileage is pretty subjective. If you are making move power you may need less throttle with them than without. At the end of the day it is just an inexpensive fix for a pretty complicated fuel management system that will only work in closed loop. After the thousands of dollars I sunk into the Deuce, just did not want to start that process all over again..........
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Mar 27 2012, 06:36 PM
Post #18





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



Got any pics of the old duce?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
exterminater
post Mar 27 2012, 07:02 PM
Post #19





Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 17-October 11
Member No.: 5,917
BIKE: FLST Heritage Softail
YEAR: 2012
MILES: 100



woops Deuce that is (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OakR8R
post Mar 27 2012, 07:35 PM
Post #20



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 2,926
Joined: 27-April 05
From: Raider fan in Bronco country
Member No.: 2
BIKE: FLHT Electra Glide Standard
YEAR: 2009
MILES: 21,000



Attached File  Picture_007.jpg ( 116.13k ) Number of downloads: 4


Gone but not forgotten. Would not trade my Glide for my old Deuce.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
TxGecko
post Mar 28 2012, 07:05 AM
Post #21



Group Icon

Group: BOTM Winner's Circle
Posts: 438
Joined: 6-August 09
From: Austin Texas
Member No.: 3,732
BIKE: FLHTCU Ultra Classic Electra Glide
YEAR: 2011
MILES: 16, 500



I have installed the Fl XiED's on my 2011 last year during the Roasting in Texas. Since I have added Vance and Hines Pro Pipe, and the Screaming Eagle air box, and no computer upload. This past weekend I added the Vance and Hines Monster Ovals(5 1/2). The bike is running great and at this point does not appear to need the upload.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 28th June 2017 - 03:38 AM
Harley Shop Talk Established 05/05/05
Painting By: Dave Barnhouse / Hadley House Publishing, All Rights Reserved
HARLEY SHOP TALK IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH HARLEY-DAVIDSON®, INC.
HARLEY SHOP TALK: IF WE AIN'T TALKIN' HARLEYS, WE'RE TALKIN' $#*%!