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post Aug 12 2009, 09:19 AM
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Before my rant (referencing a thread Seahag started)... Clay, I checked mileage on the rear tire. Just under 7,000 miles. Waaay more than I thought. I don't ride my 10 - 12 K anymore, it seems. Skipped Texas etc. BUT, it seems, somehow in 9 months I put on 7000 miles.

So, I'm not as pissed about the miles I got out the Michelin Commander. The tire is NOT to the wear bars yet. Probably could easily go another 1000. At some point the tires get squirelly when you lean past the flat wear patch. I don't like it.

Rant: Picked up the scoot last night after having a new Michelin Commander mounted. Rode straight home. No worries (or at least I didn't hear any). This morning hop on, take off for work. Rolling up to the first stop sign I encounter I hear "chirping". Something is rubbing. The sound is coming from the left rear, definitely with the rhythm of the wheel turning.

I rode straight to the Indy that made the change. I realize when I get there they will not be there for over an hour and I have a conference call...

I'm at work. Pulled the bags off to look for something obvious. I see no "contact" marks on the sidewalls. I see no pea gravel in the belt. I did ride through a 200' stretch of fresh gravel on black top last night.

At some point today I'll take her back to the Indy.

What the hell is the most likely problem????????????????????

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post Aug 12 2009, 09:23 AM
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Does the chirp sound like a bird, or more like a cricket? One mighta crawled into your saddlebag..... (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)
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post Aug 12 2009, 09:40 AM
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Asshole! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

You remind me of a time when a full bird was kept on the phone sounding out the noises a machine was making. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif) Ultimately, he "caught up" and said, "I got a gaggle of F4's lined up on the flight line waiting for orders to come across YOUR fucking machine! Get your ass over here and fix it!!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Seriously, a bird with a bent beak and a sore throat! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)
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post Aug 12 2009, 09:43 AM
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Bruce - belt tension.
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post Aug 12 2009, 09:55 AM
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Now there. You see the contrast??

Smart ass answer vs fine upstanding gentleman answer. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)

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post Aug 12 2009, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(Spurrs @ Aug 12 2009, 07:43 AM) *
Bruce - belt tension.


I was thinking either belt tension or rear wheel alignment.
Does the sound go away when you apply rear brakes?
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post Aug 12 2009, 10:03 AM
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NO, Mark. It does not. It's really pretty loud. And, when rolling extremely slowly it seems to "last", like 15 degrees of the rotation of the tire, if that makes any sense. Again, no guard rubbing, nothing obvious (yet) to me.

I also spotted the left side pin, in the castle nut (axle), is not fuly seated. It could fall out. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif) Not very happy.
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post Aug 12 2009, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(Fgowi @ Aug 12 2009, 09:55 AM) *
Now there. You see the contrast??

Smart ass answer vs fine upstanding gentleman answer. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)

Luv ya', BD!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)




Just trying to help, Bruce. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)
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post Aug 12 2009, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Spurrs @ Aug 12 2009, 09:43 AM) *
Bruce - belt tension.

....that's my guess. Bet it gets louder as the bike warms up.




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I also spotted the left side pin, in the castle nut (axle), is not fuly seated. It could fall out. banghead.gif Not very happy.


....now that would piss me off. That along with improper belt tension show very little professionalism. Regular guy or tryin' someone different?
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post Aug 12 2009, 01:34 PM
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NOT regular guy, Buck. Just got back from there. Good news is the guy that put it up in the air this time (not sure whether same guy that changed the tire or not) noticed that pin immediately, without me saying a word to him.

Good news is they got the chirp out of it. About a 3 inch by 1/2 inch piece of chrome is missing from the rear pulley. I had noticed this before. Seemed like right there is where the belt was "climbing" the side of the pulley. could have even made the chrome give it up. And, that marked the side of the belt a little bit. Nothing life threatening.

Bad news is I they misaligned the wheel to do it. I think the engine is not aligned properly. I'm going to go through the whole thing after Galena. I'll get a new pulley and belt. I'll probably be at 70,000 by the end of the season so replacing the belt doesn't bother me.

Maybe everyone knows.... I did not know the engine could be misaligned until today. Front mount is adjustable. so iffin' your bike pulls one way or the other.... (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)

You know, my shop manuals are dog eared. But I gotta read those damn things cover to cover. (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif)
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post Aug 12 2009, 05:31 PM
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Bruce...I've read of instances of the belt rubbing on the sides of the pulley causing a noise like you describe. The "fix" that was recommended and seemed to work well for everyone I read that tried it, was to rub some paraffin wax on the sides of your belt...it acts like a dry lubricant.

So steal one of "Candace's " tea lights, pop it out of the tin cup and rub away. This is also what I use to lubricate the zippers on my gear after riding through lots of rain which makes the zippers sticky.

aligning the engine isn't that hard either and you could do it yourself before the trip. I had to do it with my FLHT when I put the Sta-Bo swingarm bushings in. You disconnect the front and top engine mounts, make sure the rear wheel is centered in the swingarm by measuring back from the pivot points in the swingarm pivot bolt to the axle [I told you about this recently] then with your bike up on a lift, start the motor and run the engine IN GEAR for 30 seconds. Kill the engine, then adjust the front and top mount stabilizers till they line up with the mounting holes and can be bolted back down. When I did mine, the front mount didn't need any adjustment to go back together, but the top one needed a few turns on the adjuster.
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post Aug 12 2009, 06:22 PM
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I've looked all over for my instructions on that procedure Bruce. Couldn't find them, so I put in a message to the Sta-Bo people and I'll get back to you with the specifics.
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post Aug 12 2009, 10:09 PM
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Thanks Bud!! I'll prolly try and find time to do it.

I cannot believe how loud the "chirp" or "squeal" this thing made. I've never heard anything like it out of a bike. Well, I've only had one other belt drive, my FatBoy, but dayum!!

I remember you telling me this adjustment. I really would like the detailed instructions. Well, just thought, I get to buy you a drink or 50 pretty damn soon!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
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post Aug 13 2009, 05:48 PM
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Here you go Bruce...This was really easy when I did it...provided you have a lift that raises the back wheel so it can spin.


5 Point Alignment Procedure

after STA-BO installation.


1: Loosen long bolt on front engine mount bracket.



2: Remove (1) bolt from stabilizer link at front lower and top mount, and raise M/C to get rear wheel off of surface.



3: Start & run engine 2000 – 3000 RPM in level position for approximately 15 – 30 seconds. Turn engine off.



4: Tighten front engine mount long bolt while keeping motorcycle level at all times.



5: Adjust stabilizer links (if needed) , front first and tighten bolt, then adjust stabilizer link (if needed) for the top mount.
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post Aug 13 2009, 05:55 PM
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Not tryin' to stick my nose in yo business but that seems fairly simple. Looks like the trick is to keep everything level.
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Yep. Gotta do it. Just slammed right now. A lot of things are easy if you have 33 back to back seconds!!!!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Thanks Clay. I have a lift.... a RED one. HA!!!!
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QUOTE(Fgowi @ Aug 13 2009, 09:22 PM) *
Yep. Gotta do it. Just slammed right now. A lot of things are easy if you have 33 back to back seconds!!!!! (IMG:http://www.harleyshoptalk.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif)

Thanks Clay. I have a lift.... a RED one. HA!!!!



Remember to center your back wheel again before this procedure, or the motor will align itself to your cockeyed wheel. I'd also recommend you put that wax on the sides of the belt while you're at it as it can only help...especially since you've already experienced some wear there.
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Bruce, it won't work with the red lift. You can borrow my yellow one if you need to.
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